1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hello, Mr. Billwell? 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 3 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Yeah, this is calling again. 4 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,000 I won't take much of your time. 5 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Sorry to call and collect. 6 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,000 My budget couldn't stand it anymore. 7 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Okay. 8 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Listen, that thing keeps coming back. 9 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 It's been back three times. 10 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Now the chief of police has seen it. 11 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,000 One of the policemen has seen it. 12 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,000 The friend of mine has seen it. 13 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 One of the farm neighbors has seen it. 14 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,000 My parents have seen it. 15 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 And the other night it was right between the barn and the hog house again, 16 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,000 and it was the same big ball of light. 17 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 And it's something else. 18 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,000 What's the deal with that out there in a way? 19 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Surface features that would attract that? 20 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,000 I don't know, sir. 21 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,000 We have a big barn out here. 22 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,000 My father was just trying to consider some different things. 23 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,000 We have a big barn out here. 24 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 It's 40 by 80. 25 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,000 And it's got an all steel silo inside of it. 26 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 You can't see it from the outside. 27 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,000 But it's an all steel silo on the interior of it. 28 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 We also have a huge big stone power plant. 29 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 And if you guys wanted to see UFOs, 30 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000 all you have to do is come here to the big stone power plant. 31 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,000 It's one of the largest in the nation. 32 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Is that atomic? 33 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 No, it's just coal burning. 34 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 But you can sit out there on the hill, my buddy, 35 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 and I sit there on the hill. 36 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 And I know airplanes. 37 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,000 I worked with Delta Airlines for a long time. 38 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,000 And we set up on the hill up there. 39 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,000 It's always clear. 40 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 And you can see the stars virtually every night. 41 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,000 And the sky above that thing is just swarming with it. 42 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Okay, do you have cattle on your farm? 43 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,000 None at all. 44 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,000 No cattle whatsoever. 45 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 No livestock in it anyway? 46 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 None at all. 47 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,000 No, sir. 48 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 I'll be done. 49 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 But it's always between the last night, 50 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,000 the thing looked like it was 40. 51 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Did you get my letter? 52 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Yes. 53 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Okay. 54 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Last night, that object, I didn't stand around it, 55 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 our night before last night, 56 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000 I didn't stand around to really look at it, 57 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,000 but it was about 40 feet in diameter. 58 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 It was right between our house and I ran back in house 59 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,000 and called the police department. 60 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,000 We have a police scanner here. 61 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 And by the time I called and went back to look at the window, 62 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 it had dropped down to about an inch across, 63 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,000 I mean, visually. 64 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 But it keeps coming back. 65 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,000 And it's getting the point where it's ridiculous. 66 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Is this thing getting any closer to you? 67 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Yes, it is. 68 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Yes. 69 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Okay, what was the last time you saw it? 70 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 The last time we saw it was last night. 71 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Last night? 72 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Uh-huh. 73 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,000 And it was back the night before that. 74 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 The police came out here twice to see it. 75 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Saturday night, it was back. 76 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,000 You getting any electronic problems around there? 77 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Yes, sir. 78 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,000 We're getting quite a bit of interference on our TV set 79 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 and a lot of static on the police scanner. 80 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 We thought perhaps it was our lead-in for our antenna 81 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,000 on the television set, 82 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,000 but the police scanner started acting up 83 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,000 at the same time the television set did. 84 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Okay, any of the other law enforcement agencies 85 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 get anything? 86 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 No, sir, just the police department. 87 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 That's it. 88 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Now, the man that works down there, 89 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 you know, as I stated in my letter, 90 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,000 the man that works that shift, 91 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 he's not very indulgent about writing on the log, 92 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,000 but the police chiefs. 93 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,000 And he saw it also? 94 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Yes, sir. 95 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 He just saw the ball of light because by the time 96 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 that he saw it from the city over our place, 97 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 that's how big it was. 98 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 We're five miles away from the city. 99 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 He saw this big, huge ball of light in the sky. 100 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000 And not only that, 101 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,000 he was a licensed airplane pilot, too. 102 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 He said it's not an airplane. 103 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Is anyone looking at this thing through a telescope 104 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,000 or a spotting scope? 105 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Yes, sir. 106 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000 We've looked at it through binoculars 107 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,000 on several different occasions. 108 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,000 And it's always the same changing of colors, 109 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000 from red to orange to white to blue to green 110 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,000 and back again in the same sequence. 111 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,000 And constantly on the move? 112 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Well, no, it sits in hoovers. 113 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 The damn thing will sit there in hoover and sit there. 114 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000 But it seems like it knows this object. 115 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,000 I don't know. 116 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,000 I'm kind of giving it personal features, you know? 117 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 But it seems like it knows that somebody's, you know, 118 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 coming out to look at it or going to see it. 119 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,000 I got in the car and tried to follow it, 120 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000 but it was just too quick for me. 121 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,000 It was gone. 122 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,000 It would not have had to leave when you took off to follow it? 123 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Well, no, it left in there and I came in the house 124 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 to make a phone call to the police department. 125 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,000 It was gone when I came back. 126 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 It wasn't gone, but I mean, it was out of good, 127 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 clear visual range. 128 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Okay, anyway. 129 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 I'll tell you something. 130 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,000 I'm scared of it. 131 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Has anyone tried any pictures? 132 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 No. 133 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,000 I've got a professional photographer, 134 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,000 but he was out of town that night that it was here. 135 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,000 And he's planning on trying to get some pictures of it 136 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 if it comes back. 137 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,000 But we're stymied. 138 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,000 My folks are scared. 139 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 My dad has a heart problem. 140 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 He's a little upset about it. 141 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 And that way... 142 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Well, he hasn't made any threatening moves. 143 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,000 No, sir. 144 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000 No, sir. 145 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 I think so. 146 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,000 None of them usually do. 147 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 I just wish it would... 148 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Whatever it is, I wish it had land and come up 149 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,000 and have a cup of coffee with it. 150 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,000 How far away is that power station? 151 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,000 The power station is about eight miles away. 152 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Eight to ten miles away from here. 153 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Okay. 154 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,000 It's a huge power station. 155 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,000 In fact, it burns something like 40,000 tons of coal a day 156 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 or something from them tomorrow. 157 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 It serves as a whole area. 158 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Do you have any of the high transmission lines close by? 159 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,000 I don't know if we have any transmission lines, 160 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,000 high power transmission lines close by or not. 161 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,000 I think there are. 162 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,000 As a matter of fact, it usually comes from the direction 163 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 of the radio station right over the top of the radio station. 164 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 KMSD radio. 165 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Okay. 166 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Do they have any problems that you know of? 167 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,000 No, sir. 168 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,000 I haven't spoke to any of the engineers out there at all 169 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,000 with reference to it. 170 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 So I don't know if they're having any transmission problems 171 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 or not. 172 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Okay. 173 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,000 No doubt then the power station is the same as attracting this thing. 174 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Right. 175 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 I think that's what it is. 176 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,000 And I'm convinced that it's nothing from our global engineering, 177 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 nothing that we've designed or anything. 178 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 I'm just assuming a lot of things, 179 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,000 but I've never seen anything like it before in my life. 180 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 And it keeps coming back to between our barn and our hog house. 181 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 I don't know what it finds so interesting there. 182 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Okay. 183 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Now how far is this away from the house? 184 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,000 About 50 feet. 185 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 That's pretty darn close. 186 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Yeah. 187 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Okay. 188 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,000 At that distance, what distance do you give in size? 189 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 I would say last night it was for the light, 190 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 the night I sat, which was the night before last. 191 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,000 The light itself was 40 feet across, about 40 feet across. 192 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,000 I still can't see any vehicle with any kind. 193 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Well, the only time we've seen, last night, 194 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,000 or the night before last again when I sighted it, 195 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 I didn't stand around. 196 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,000 I saw, I was not shalally walking out to my car. 197 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 I spotted it and immediately came back in the house. 198 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 So I didn't really look for any structure outside of the structure 199 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,000 that my father and I viewed in the diagram that I sent. 200 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Any mining in that area? 201 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 No mining whatsoever. 202 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 No. 203 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 No wells, oil wells? 204 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:40,000 No, no wells or any energy sources that would be around in this area at all. 205 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,000 How far is the closest neighbor? 206 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,000 The closest neighbor, I would say, is one mile directly north, 207 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 or a mile and a half north, 208 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,000 and then we have another neighbor in that general direction, 209 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 about two miles away. 210 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Have you ever seen anything in their area? 211 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,000 No, sir. 212 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,000 No, sir. I haven't even visited with them, 213 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 but I know that there's another farmer who's right. 214 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,000 He's seen it himself, but he's seen it from some distance. 215 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,000 And I was curious to know what it is. 216 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Another man, he has a police scanner, 217 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 and of course he always comes out whenever he hears a police call 218 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 and he tries to see what's going on, 219 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 and he came out, he saw it himself. 220 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,000 So all in all, there's probably 12 or 14 people that have viewed this, 221 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,000 and several of them are pretty knowledgeable about, you know, aircraft. 222 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Two or three of them are pilots, as a matter of fact. 223 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Okay, then the only close approach is would be around your place. 224 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Yes, sir. 225 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Okay. 226 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 I'm sorry, this is costing you a pretty penny. 227 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 If you're going to fly to Korea and war dead, your phone's going to... 228 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Important information. 229 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,000 How about physical or mental experiences and sensations 230 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 when these things are in the area? 231 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Anyone get anything? 232 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,000 When it's in the area, I wouldn't say that anybody has any physical 233 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,000 or mental experiences, although that I know since it started coming, 234 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,000 I have a heart problem. 235 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,000 And I don't know if it's because of what's going on 236 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,000 or what it is, but I know both my father and I have really been feeling bad. 237 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,000 As a matter of fact, our dog had a heart attack and a stroke 238 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,000 just the other night, and we had to put it to sleep. 239 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,000 I don't know if that means anything or not, 240 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000 but that did happen just the other night, 241 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 and the dog was only seven years old. 242 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Was that... was the object in the area that night? 243 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 I believe so, yes. 244 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 What night was it? 245 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,000 That was last Friday night. 246 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 That's very... okay, that'd be the... 247 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 No, a week ago tonight, I'm sorry. 248 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,000 That'd be the 13th. 249 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Yes. 250 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Okay. 251 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 We had to put the dog to sleep in the vet's city, 252 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,000 and, you know, really see anything like that before. 253 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,000 His dad apparently had a heart attack and a stroke, both. 254 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Well, had that dog shown any particular disturbance 255 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 when the objects were in the area? 256 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 And all his veins were collapsed. 257 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Oh, no, none that I noticed. 258 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,000 I don't know if the dog was upset or anything. 259 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,000 At that time, we were concentrating so on what was going on 260 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,000 that we really didn't pay any attention to him, Mr. Gribble. 261 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Okay. 262 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 And I know that, like I say, both my father and myself 263 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,000 have been feeling rather bored. 264 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,000 And again, it might be stress or nerves 265 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,000 or wondering what the devil it is, you know? 266 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Any dreams, any kind? 267 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Yes, sir. 268 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 I'm telling you, I've had some dreams that have knocked you out. 269 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Since that thing has come, it's put a lot of... 270 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,000 And I have a creepy feeling. 271 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 I can't understand it, but I have a feeling like... 272 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,000 If I can explain it to you, and you won't think I'm insane... 273 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Go ahead. 274 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000 I have a feeling like it's coming back for somebody. 275 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000 That's just the feeling I have and the dream that... 276 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 And I told my folks that one night, I said, 277 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 I know it's coming back and it did come back. 278 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,000 And it's just that I have dreams a lot. 279 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Have you had any dreams, Mom? 280 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,000 I had dreams about UFOs and things. 281 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,000 It might just be because it's a shock of the whole thing, 282 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,000 but I have had about three or four, in fact, 283 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 waking up in the night sweating from 284 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,000 because they're so frightening and so very real and vivid. 285 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 Okay. 286 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Do you get the feeling that somebody's trying to communicate with you? 287 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Yes, sir, I do. 288 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Mentally? 289 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,000 I don't know if it's... 290 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000 I don't know. 291 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000 It's an experience like I've never had before 292 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,000 and I try to decipher the real feelings from the superficial things. 293 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000 They plan and come in and have a cup of coffee with it. 294 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Well, there's a few technical problems involved there. 295 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Yeah, I'm sure. 296 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 I can assure you there's no hostility. 297 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,000 I doubt very much if there's any hostility intended. 298 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,000 It's observation. 299 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,000 In the past, we have seen a very marked pattern from all over the world 300 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:35,000 where they picked certain individuals or certain families or certain groups 301 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:41,000 where they make close approaches and appear to be 302 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:49,000 either studying the individual or presenting themselves 303 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000 so that they can... 304 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,000 what they're doing is acting as a conditioning program 305 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,000 to condition the individual or groups that, 306 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:05,000 here I am, I want you to believe that we exist. 307 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,000 No hostility meant and all this. 308 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,000 We've seen this happen all over the world 309 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,000 and people have had multiple experiences 310 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,000 but of course they get slightly frightened in some cases, 311 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,000 scared half out of their britches, 312 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,000 but nothing ever really happens to them 313 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,000 in the way of physical harm or hostility or anything. 314 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 As far as your experience of seeing the various individuals 315 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,000 who might be controlling whatever this craft may be, 316 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,000 assuming it is people, are they frightened to look yet? 317 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:44,000 No, in all the cases where we have had landings with the occupants, 318 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,000 they have been humanoids like ourselves, 319 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000 none of this two-head, forearm, four-leg business, 320 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,000 but very much like ourselves only, 321 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:00,000 varying in size and a few physical discrepancies 322 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,000 of various different eyes, different ears, 323 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,000 different shape, head or side head, 324 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,000 but the general physical structure is the same. 325 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,000 But there is a communication problem 326 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:21,000 because of what we call a time gap 327 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,000 between various civilizations. 328 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,000 This is the theory that's going around now. 329 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,000 And it's the advancement in physical structure. 330 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Right, physical and mental advancement. 331 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,000 It might be thousands of years ahead of us, 332 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,000 and this presents a problem in the field of biomegnetics, 333 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000 which our own science is just starting to learn a lot about. 334 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Well, my belief is that we as human beings 335 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,000 don't reach a complete cycle in life. 336 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 It's kind of a metamorphosis thing, 337 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,000 and we never have been able to transform ourselves 338 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,000 into a structure that's really compatible with our existence. 339 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,000 Let's just follow what it amounts to. 340 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,000 Has anyone in your family ever been 341 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,000 bent towards having psychic-type experiences? 342 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 I have, sir. 343 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Okay, what type, anything particular? 344 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,000 I'm able to locate things that are lost. 345 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,000 I felt like I left deals someplace, 346 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000 but these are things most people don't ask, 347 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,000 and I don't usually tell about. 348 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 My mother is about sports, 349 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000 and she's listening to this conversation at present moment. 350 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,000 I'm able to locate things that are lost, 351 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,000 just through psychic sensations and being able to find them, 352 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,000 and I've always felt that I've had some psychic power, 353 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,000 but I haven't been able to tap what it is exactly outside of that. 354 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Okay, then you see what you're dealing with. 355 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,000 There's a highly, a mind with highly advanced cells. 356 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Once again, we're getting into technical bit, 357 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:56,000 and people who have this ability 358 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,000 to equate often put themselves very much on the same plane, 359 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,000 mentally, I'm speaking of the mind and the brain 360 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 as a higher advanced civilization. 361 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,000 And this is, we feel a necessity 362 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,000 before the people on this planet 363 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,000 or on our level of advancement 364 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,000 can communicate with anybody higher. 365 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:28,000 There's a big wall there that keeps, 366 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,000 this is the problem that I'm talking about. 367 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000 Okay. 368 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,000 I might mention, sir, that in our son's IQ test, 369 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:43,000 he has an extremely high IQ when the test has been taken. 370 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Okay, I'm glad you mentioned that. 371 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:50,000 And he normally doesn't like to college, so I will say it. 372 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Has your IQ increased any since the sightings have started, 373 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 even above which your usual count? 374 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,000 I don't know that, whether it has or not. 375 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 I don't think he would know. 376 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Okay. 377 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,000 On that, he's even not finding other phones now, so. 378 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,000 But when he has had IQ test, 379 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,000 I know they say that he's just a borderline genius 380 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,000 is what the doctors have told us. 381 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Uh-huh. 382 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,000 I know the glottary. 383 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,000 I don't know that he's saying that. 384 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Yes, it definitely has a lot to do with it. 385 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:37,000 We had a recent case in the Seattle area where a woman had a close approach 386 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:43,000 and her IQ almost tripled for nearly a week. 387 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Oh, is that right? 388 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Yeah, and we know that science, 389 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,000 there's several universities in the country today working on this 390 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,000 where they have found where the human being, 391 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:00,000 when they suddenly become in contact with a electromagnetic 392 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:05,000 or straight magnetic field, which is, I'm speaking of those, 393 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,000 the regular, well I won't get into it too technical, 394 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,000 but a magnetic field which is different or stronger 395 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:22,000 that it causes the biomagnetic clock within the human body to spurt forward. 396 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 And, uh... 397 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 There are manner of propulsion in problems. 398 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,000 This, we feel that the propulsion systems on these vehicles 399 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,000 have something very close to electromagnetic drive 400 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,000 and when an individual comes or gets fairly close, 401 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,000 why many strange things start to happen, 402 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:47,000 including an increase of IQ or even sudden healing of physical wounds. 403 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000 And, uh... 404 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Again, our own science is getting into this 405 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,000 and coming up with some very mind-boggling discoveries. 406 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,000 But I tell you what we would like to do, 407 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,000 there's another UFO organization in the country much bigger than ours 408 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 and they have some very crackerjack investigators, 409 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 and if possible, if we can get one in there, 410 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 why would we like to send him out and talk to you? 411 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Absolutely. 412 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Ah, really, it's getting a little spicy. 413 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Have you tried light signals? 414 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,000 No, sir. 415 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,000 None at all, the availability, uh, the, you know, the, 416 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,000 the access to the light signal is not there at the time it's needed. 417 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Uh-huh. 418 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,000 I mean, we haven't kept it handy, I guess it's because we, 419 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,000 perhaps, know they're coming back, but haven't really expected them to. 420 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Right. 421 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,000 And so, and I have a feeling that if we make, 422 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,000 this is a strange, strange statement, 423 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,000 but I have a feeling that if we make any effort to avert a temp, 424 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,000 it's contacting them that they won't come back. 425 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,000 And personally, I'd like for them to come back. 426 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000 Right. 427 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Well, we have found that, uh... 428 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,000 if they want to establish contact, they will do it. 429 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Uh-huh. 430 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,000 I mean, it won't be necessary for you to step forward, 431 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,000 but if they want, as they feel that they can communicate with you 432 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,000 without any problems, technical problems between you and them, 433 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,000 uh, then they will do it without any problem. 434 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:18,000 And I think that possibly their continuous presence in your area would indicate 435 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,000 that they are more or less conditioning you... 436 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,000 Yes, sir. 437 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000 ...for something in the future. 438 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:30,000 I have, uh, I have, like I say, I absolutely have any fear of what's on board. 439 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,000 Several people have suggested shooting it. 440 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 No, no heavens, no, don't do that. 441 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,000 And, uh, that's, you know, that's not feasible. 442 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,000 And another part of my philosophy is that I won't even kill an ant for a fly. 443 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,000 I don't believe in it. 444 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Uh-huh. 445 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,000 And I won't do it. 446 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,000 Well, I see you can, you and I, I think, let you like. 447 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,000 But, uh, no, there are a lot of people, 448 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,000 especially law enforcement officers, have, uh, been frightened by these things 449 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,000 and taken shots at them. 450 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 Of course, there hasn't been any repercussion only, 451 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,000 just they just move away, is all. 452 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,000 But, uh, we'll try to get these people up there. 453 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000 I'll give them a call tomorrow morning, 454 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000 and, uh, I'm sure that they must have someone in your area 455 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,000 and, uh, see if we can't get somebody down there to talk to you 456 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 and maybe stand by and watch for these things, too. 457 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,000 It was, uh, clear to me, but not, not close. 458 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Uh-huh. 459 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,000 Uh, we could, I can see it over here in the southwest, 460 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,000 there, I mean, something called here, 461 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000 in the southwestern direction. 462 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000 Yes. 463 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,000 And the night. 464 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,000 But it was, it was, well, if you didn't know what it, 465 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,000 if you hadn't seen it up close, you know, 466 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,000 you'd think probably think it was a star or something like this. 467 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,000 But it, you know, you want to, 468 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 you can try to move it if you know what it is. 469 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Yes. 470 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Okay, we'll see what we can do about that. 471 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Thank you, sir. 472 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,000 Thank you very much. 473 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Thank you very much. 474 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,000 Yeah, pleasure talking to you. 475 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,000 Thank you. 476 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Thank you. 477 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000 It's been our pleasure. 478 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000 Right. 479 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Thank you so much. 480 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000 Bye.